[0:00:00] Tesla and Jack Ma, the co-chair of the UN high-level panel on digital cooperation. Let's give them a very big applaud. Welcome. Great to have both of you here with us today. The session is actually much awaited. We've already posted some of the key words of the questions on the big screen. And later on, you can just click the word you're interested in to talk about. Now the stage is yours. What are you supposed to say? Just things about AI, perhaps? Okay.
[0:00:42] Let's see. Yeah, the AI, right? You want to start with AI. Yeah. Okay, great. AI, yeah. Actually, I'm told that, does AI mean love? There's like a name, AI. It sort of sounds a bit like love. Yeah, AI. I hate the word AI called artificial intelligence. I call it Alibaba intelligence. Yeah. Might end up being true. You never know.
[0:01:13] I think generally people underestimate the capability of AI. They sort of think like it's a smart human. But it's going to be much more than that. It'll be much smarter than the smartest human. It'll be like, can a chimpanzee really understand humans? Not really.
[0:01:44] We just seem like strange aliens. They mostly just care about other chimpanzees. And this will be how it is, more or less, in a relative... In fact, if the difference is only that small, that would be amazing. Probably it's much, much greater. So the biggest mistake that I see artificial intelligence researchers making is assuming that they're intelligent. They're not, compared to AI.
[0:02:15] And so a lot of them cannot imagine something smarter than themselves, but AI will be vastly smarter, vastly. So what do you do with a situation like that? What do you do with a situation like that? I'm not sure. I hope they're nice. I mean, I have obviously some, you know, I think in a situation where, you know, the old saying, if you can't beat them, join them. You know, that's what Neuralink is about. It's like...
[0:02:50] Can we go along for the ride with AI? I mean, I really think that there should be other companies like Neuralink, essentially to create a high bandwidth interface to the brain. Because right now we are already a cyborg. People don't realize we are already a cyborg because we are so well integrated with our phones and our computers.
[0:03:19] The phone is almost like an extension of yourself. If you forget your phone, it's like a missing limb. But the bandwidth, the communication bandwidth to the phone is very low, especially input. So, in fact, input bandwidth to computers has actually gone down because of typing with two thumbs as opposed to ten fingers. There's a big reduction in bandwidth. Input bandwidth has gone up because of video and imagery.
[0:03:49] So input bandwidth is many orders of magnitude greater than output bandwidth. But at a certain point, assuming a benign scenario with AI, we will just be too slow. It's like if a millisecond to something, let's say a computer that has many exaflops of compute capability, a millisecond is an eternity, and to us it's nothing.
[0:04:22] I always think human speech to a computer will sound like very slow tonal wheezing. It's kind of like whale sounds. What's our bandwidth? A few hundred bits per second, basically. Maybe a few kilobits per second, if you're going to be generous. Whereas a computer can easily communicate at a terabit level.
[0:04:50] The computer will just get impatient, if nothing else. It would be like talking to a tree. That's humans. Yeah, on that great note, barely getting any information out, basically, with speech. Yeah, I'm always amazed by what your vision about the technology. I'm not a tech guy. I think more about life. I think AI is going to open a new chapter of the society, of the world, that people...
[0:05:19] Try to understand ourselves better rather than the outside world. And it's so difficult to predict the future. 99.99% of the predictions that human being had in history about the future, all wrong. Including that one? Oh, yeah. Only, you know, the 0.00% of the prediction are right. They're right because by accident.
[0:05:49] Yeah, but it's also true that 80% of statistics are false. Yeah. So, my meaning is that... Cold room. Come on, guys. It was a joke. My meaning is that I'm happy about the artificial intelligence or Alibaba intelligence that's going to understand a human, the inside of the human better. So, when people worry a lot about artificial intelligence, people should have more confidence in themselves because I think,
[0:06:19] A lot of solutions we don't have today, but there will be solutions tomorrow. We don't have solutions, but the young people will have solutions. So I'm quite optimistic, and I don't think artificial intelligence is a threat. I don't think artificial intelligence is something terrible, but human beings are smart enough to learn that.
[0:06:43] And to me, artificial intelligence is just like, people worry a lot about this today. Those people, I call them called college smartness. People like us, street smart, we're never scared of that. We think it's a great fun, and we want to change ourselves to embrace it. I don't know, man, that's like famous last words. Let me tell you, AI is, I mean...
[0:07:13] You look at sort of the rate of advancement. Just in general, the rate of advancement of computers is insane. A good example would be video games. If you go back 40 years ago, 50 years ago maybe, you had Pong. That was just two rectangles and a square. Now you've got photorealistic real-time simulations with millions of people playing simultaneously. If you assume any rate of improvement at all,
[0:07:41] I mean, these games will be indistinguishable from reality. You will not be able to tell the difference. Either that or civilization will end. Those are the two options. But even if the rate of technology improvement slowed down by 1,000, then, okay, advance 1,000 years or 10,000 years. This is still very tiny. Civilization has been around for probably, arguably, I think 7,000 years or something like that. If you counted from the first time there was any...
[0:08:10] Any writing, any recorded symbols besides cave paintings. This is a very tiny amount of time considering the universe is 13.8 billion years old. I mean, if civilization lasted for a million years, we would only increment the third decimal point after 13.8 billion years. If we lasted for a million years. So, that seems like a long time.
[0:08:43] Given that we've only been around for 7,000 years, it's been pretty, it's been kind of a roller coaster on the civilization front. So, I mean, I'm not trying to be, I'm a naturally optimistic person, to be clear. I'm not saying, hey, doom and gloom. I'm just saying this is the apparent pattern. The rate of change of technology is incredibly fast. It is outpacing our ability to understand it.
[0:09:15] Well, I'm not sure, is that good or bad? I don't know. I mean, it seemed to me some time ago that you could sort of think of humanity as a biological bootloader for digital superintelligence. For those who know what a bootloader is, a very tiny piece of code without which the computer cannot start. But it's sort of like the minimal bit of code necessary for a computer to start. Like you couldn't evolve silicon circuits. They needed to be...
[0:09:46] Biology to get there. Good. Yeah. Well, let's talk about something fun. I'm of the mind that you want to go on the Mars. Shall we go to the Mars? Yeah. Yeah. So what will the life look like on Mars? Are you both moving? What do you think about that? Actually, I'm not interested in Mars. I just came back from there.
[0:10:14] I'm more interested on the Earth, what's going on happening here. So why are you so curious about Mars? Well, I think the thing about Mars is that I think it's important for us to take the set of actions that are most likely to continue consciousness into the future. What increases the probability of consciousness continuing into the future? I think we should not take it for granted that consciousness will continue
[0:10:48] Because we have not encountered any aliens. Where are the aliens? This is the Fermi paradox. This is one of the most important questions. How come we've not found any aliens? There's people out there who think we've found aliens. Trust me, I would know. We have not. Okay. People ask me, have you been to Area 51? Okay, please. SpaceX actually has Area 59. It's even better, eight better than 51. So...
[0:11:18] Among the set of actions we can take that are likely to increase the scope and scale of consciousness such that we are better able to understand the nature of the universe, one of those actions is to become a multi-planet species or ensure that life is multi-planetary. Not from the standpoint of it just being an escape hatch or because I think that Earth is doomed, but there is a certain probability that is irreducible
[0:11:48] Something may happen to Earth. Despite our best intentions, despite everything we try to do, there's a probability at a certain point that some either external force or some internal unforced error causes civilization to be destroyed or sufficiently impaired such that it can no longer extend to another planet. It's hard to say. Let me put it another way. This is the first time.
[0:12:19] In the 4.5 billion year history of Earth, that it's been possible to extend life beyond Earth. Before this, it was not possible. How long will this window be open? It may be open for a long time, or it may be open for a short time. I think it would be wise to assume that it is open for a short time. And then let us secure the future, secure the future of consciousness.
[0:12:46] Such that the light of consciousness is not extinguished. And we should try to do this as quickly as possible. That's my view. Good. It's so difficult to secure the future of the Earth, but we can secure the future of next 100 years. I'm not a person that I admire your courage for explore the Mars, but I admire a lot of people spend efforts on improving the Earth.
[0:13:15] It's great to send 1 million people to the Mars, but we have to care about the 7.4 billion people on the Earth. How can we make the world more sustainable? And I'm not that fond of the Mars because I think it's easy to go to the Mars. When you go on the top of the hills of the building, just one step you go to Mars, but you will never be able to come back. That's my view. That's not how it works, though.
[0:13:43] Don't do it. I hate to go to the Himalayas, too. I mean, when you climb on the, I think someday I will go there when the elevator is ready, I will go there and have a look. But I think people spending more time on the Earth, think about, because no matter how long the civilization of the human beings will be, like one million or two million or half million years, but we only have 100 years. So we cannot.
[0:14:13] We have to be responsible for the future, but we should care more about how we can enjoy better. My view is that by the artificial intelligence or AI, when human beings understand ourselves better, then we can improve the world better. Last 200 years, human beings tried to understand the other side of the world better, understand the other people better, but I think
[0:14:40] What I feel excited about AI is that AI is to understand people, the inside of the human beings. The Earth, I heard you're going to dig a tunnel deep in the Earth, which is amazing. I think, anyhow, every time when I read the news about your interest in the outside space, I look at you with great respect. We need heroes like you, but we need more heroes like us.
[0:15:10] Working hard on the Earth, improving things every day. That's what I want. Sure. I mean, to be clear, I'm very pro-Earth. That sounds great. To be clear, I'm very pro-Earth. When I say us becoming a multi-planet species or extending life beyond Earth, expanding the scope and scale of consciousness,
[0:15:36] From a resource standpoint, I'm talking about less than 1% of Earth's resources should be dedicated to making life multi-planetary or making consciousness multi-planetary. I think it should be somewhere in between how much we spend on lipstick and how much we spend on healthcare. For the preservation of consciousness, we should spend maybe slightly more than we spend on cosmetics. I'm pro-cosmetics. I like it. They're great.
[0:16:05] But, you know, there's probably worth spending, I don't know, like at least half a percent of Earth's GDP on extending life to be multi-planetary. Maybe one percent, I'd say, seems like a good use of resources. But then, you know, you have like two orders of magnitude more resources spent on Earth. So it's not like it's, you know, somehow going to fundamentally impair Earth. Like I said, just one percent of Earth's resources.
[0:16:35] On that order, it should be enough to make life multi-planetary. It seems like a wise investment for the future. And obviously I spend a lot of my time on sustainable energy with Tesla, with electric cars and solar and batteries and that kind of thing. And I'm really excited to be here in Shanghai for the Shanghai Gigafactory, which is, I think the Tesla China team has done an amazing job, really mind-blowing.
[0:17:05] I'm just astounded by how good the job is and how much progress has been made. I think it's a good story for the world to say, look how much progress you can make in China. This is extremely impressive. My hat is off. You guys rock. I've never seen anything built so fast in my life before, to be totally frank. I've seen some crazy things. I think it's like...
[0:17:34] I really think China is the future. That's very impressive. And there's also some great progress on entrepreneurial rocket companies in China as well. I believe two have made orbit. It's very difficult, very hard to make orbit. Achieving orbit, I have great respect. It was very hard. You want to pick up another topic? Sure. Yeah. Jobs or life? Jobs. Jobs or life?
[0:18:06] Jobs. Sure, anything, sure. So what new jobs will be created because of AI or has the change already started? What do you think? I think why we needed that many jobs. Right? My view is that the jobs, actually every technology revolution people start to worry. Right? Last 200 years we worry about the new technology going to take away all the jobs. Actually, we made a lot of jobs. Second,
[0:18:38] Because of the industry revolution, job created a lot of jobs. What I think is the next 20, 30 years, human being will live much longer. The life science technology is going to make people live probably 100, 120 years. That may not be a good thing, because you got grandfathers, grandfathers still working hard. But the challenge is, my question, why shouldn't we have a lot of jobs? I think people should work three days a week.
[0:19:11] Four hours a day. When we have electricity, the power of electricity is that we make people more time. So you can go to the karaoke in the evening, you can go to dancing party in the evening. So people, because of electricity, people have more time. I think because of artificial intelligence, people will have more time enjoy being human beings. In your life, in my life.
[0:19:39] I think I visited probably 300 cities in my life. My father visited 30 cities. My grandfather would visit only three cities. So my grandchildren probably will visit 3,000 cities all his life. He's always on the Tesla. He's always on the robots, always traveling around. So I don't think we need a lot of jobs. At that time, the jobs we need is make people happier, make people experience the life.
[0:20:09] Enjoy the human beings. So I don't worry about the jobs a lot. First, we're going to have a lot of jobs. Second, we don't need a lot of jobs. Third, there's a very interesting thing, because we'll probably talk about life. In the agricultural period, average age is like 30, 35 years old. In the industrial period...
[0:20:39] Technology revolution, people can live 70 years. So in the artificial intelligence period, people can live 120 years, that's I think. Now the problem comes. When people's life is getting better, people don't want to have children. When your grand-grandfather is there, you don't want to have children. At that time, we are going to have a lot of jobs where nobody want to do it. So we need artificial intelligence, the robots to take care of the old guys.
[0:21:09] For sure, you will not be happy, or you were happy, because when your grand-grandfather said, oh, I need to work tomorrow, then that's a disaster. So I think we cannot predict the future, but we should be ready that we are going to enter into the area that everybody can live 120 years. And we have more new problems that come up. So that's my view about jobs. Don't worry about it.
[0:21:41] You will have jobs. Yeah. I think over time, AI will make jobs kind of pointless. Probably the last job that will remain will be writing AI software, and then eventually the AI will just write its own software. So I don't know. I suppose I would recommend studying engineering, physics, that kind of thing, or working on something where...
[0:22:14] People just want to interact with other people. And people enjoy fundamentally interacting with other people. So if you're working on something that involves people or engineering, it's probably a good approach. Art, of course. Like I said, I think we're going to have to figure out this Neuralink situation. Otherwise, we will be left behind.
[0:22:51] It's very important we do this quickly. I think time, we don't have much time. We don't have much time for what? We don't have much time to solve the neural link. Yeah. Yeah. Think of technology and technology awareness. If there was a topological map of technology awareness, it's mostly flat with a few...
[0:23:22] Short buildings and then some very tall spires. Very tall spires. And unless you're on that very tall spire, it's not obvious what the topology is. Yeah. I never worry about the things that I cannot solve. I let other people to solve it. If nobody can solve it, just let it be. That's my life. Oh, let's talk about education. I'm quite interested about education. Can we? Yeah.
[0:23:54] What knowledge or skills will be useful to master the future? Do you have any advice for young professionals who want to pursue a career in AI? Young professionals. I don't think we will have professionals on AI in the future. Well, I worry a lot about, people worry about jobs, but I worry about education. All the education systems.
[0:24:21] The things we teach our kids, the way we teach our kids, are mainly designed for the industrial period. And I'm sure the machine will be much cleverer than human beings in the future. How can human beings do better? Human beings should be smarter. Human beings should be wiser. So how can we be human beings to be wiser or smarter? I think that we should change the way of education.
[0:24:51] Change the things. Because in the past, we focused a lot about, you know, remember things. Computer can remember better than you are. We want to calculate faster, computer can calculate much faster. We want to run faster, computer can run much faster than you are. So human beings should have confidence by being more creative, more constructive. So how can we teach our kids to be more creative and constructive?
[0:25:22] And I think this is the key of the education. And I want to spend more time on training kids on arts, on painting, on singing, on dancing. You know, all these are the creative things that make people live like humans. Don't worry about machines. For sure, we should understand one thing, that man...
[0:25:51] So I think in the next 10...
[0:26:15] 20 years, human beings or every country, every government should focus on reform the education system, making sure our kids be able to find jobs in the future, be able to live in a life that only working three days a week, four hours a day. And that is very important. If we do not change the education system that we are in, we are all going to be in trouble. That's my view.
[0:26:45] And don't worry about it. We will change it. Yeah. Yeah, I would say try to learn as much as possible that allows you to predict the future or make the future. So the saying is the best way to predict the future is to make it. And then assess whether what you are learning is enabling you to predict the future with less error.
[0:27:18] Are you less wrong? We're always wrong to some degree. But can you reduce the error on your future predictions? I think that's the way to look at education. Of course, but it's both creative, create the future, and predict the future. So that includes art and all those other things. But close the loop on being less wrong about future. I would say that's the right way to think about education.
[0:27:51] I mean, down the road with Neuralink, you can just upload any subject instantly. So, be like the Matrix. You want to fly a helicopter? No problem. Well, helicopters will fly themselves, but if you wanted to do whatever, any given skill, you just upload it instantly. The way education works right now, it's extremely low bandwidth. It's extremely slow. Lectures are the worst, really. It's very slow.
[0:28:25] Yeah, just try to predict the future with less error. This is very hard, as you were saying. I'm not sure it's 99.9%, but it's not very good, generally, a prediction of the future. But I think often people don't try. The first thing is try. If you don't try, okay, you've got to try, and then adjust based on the error of your prior predictions. Yeah, I think just to try is very good. We should always...
[0:28:57] I have the confidence to try the future. And I never worry about the errors and the mistakes. Errors and mistakes are the best assets of human lives. And humans, I think when people worry about the disasters that AI is going to bring in, I think it's not the disasters. It's the mistakes that human beings make. And trust human beings will be able to correct the mistakes and improve themselves. And that way we need education.
[0:29:27] And this is what we think. In China today, we have 1,800 new babies born every year, which is not enough. We need to have much more than that. But I think the best resources of the human beings...
[0:29:46] How can we make the human brains more creative, constructive? How can we make sure that the machines are always the toys and tools of humans rather than the control? So I never in my life...
[0:30:11] And especially last two years when people talk about AI, say human being will be controlled by machines. I never think about that. I think it's impossible. It's impossible. Because human beings, they are different. Machines invented by human beings. And according to the science, humans...
[0:30:37] Can never create another animal that is smarter than humans. Especially when you have so many smart people, it's impossible to make another smart people. I very much disagree with that. Okay. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. I mean, the first thing we should assume is that we are very dumb. And we can definitely make things smarter than ourselves. I mean, they didn't used to be humans, right?
[0:31:06] Our early civilization was very primitive. We didn't have any technology really. We're just like running around, you know, trying to not get eaten or trying to survive a winter. Now we have like heating and we grow food. This is all new stuff. So, you know, things have obviously gotten way more smarter than the past. Way smarter. So that's going to continue. We're not the last step in evolution. So the most important thing, like I said, the most important...
[0:31:34] The mistake I see smart people making is assuming that they're smart. They're not. So give me an example. What animals or things that a human being made that is smarter than human beings? Well, computers actually are already much smarter than people on so many dimensions. We just keep moving the goalposts. So we used to think, like, for example, being good at chess was an example of a smart human. And then Kasparov was crushed by Deep Blue in 97. That was a long time ago.
[0:32:06] 22 years. I mean, right now your cell phone could crush the world champion at chess, literally. Go used to be thought of as something that humans were better at than computers. Then LisaDoll was beaten 4-1 by AlphaZero. Then a new version of AlphaZero. Oh, I should say AlphaGo. AlphaGo beat LisaDoll 4-1. Then there's AlphaZero. AlphaZero crushed AlphaGo 100-0.
[0:32:34] Now it's just pointless because it just keeps playing itself. Humans are trying to play a computer go is like trying to fight Zeus. It's not going to work. Hopeless. We are hopelessly inadequate. In terms of rendering, basically there's just a smaller and smaller corner of intellectual pursuits that humans are better than computers. And that every year.
[0:33:04] It gets smaller and smaller, and soon we will be far, far surpassed in every single way, guaranteed. Or civilization will end. Those are the two possibilities. Okay. Yeah, my view is that computer may be clever, but human beings are much smarter. Yeah, definitely not. Clever is very academic, is knowledge-driven. Smarter is experience-driven.
[0:33:33] Computer is smart, is clever, but it's human being. We invented a computer. I never see a computer invented a human being. This is my first point. Second point is that about a gold play chairs. It's stupid to compete with a computer on play gold. Just like a hundred years ago, where human being created cars. So human being said,
[0:34:05] I can run faster than a car. It's impossible. It's only stupid people to compete with a car who run faster. Go is designed for human to play with human, right? The chess is designed for human to human. Why should a human to fight against a computer? So I never ever play chess or go with computer.
[0:34:33] I'll be happy to see two computers fight each other. I'm not interested in play golf with chess. So I told those guys, they are very sad. Computer will be smarter than human beings because computer can play chess better. I think you are stupid to compete with that. Don't do that. So this is, we always do things we are good at.
[0:34:59] Sure. Okay. Well, what would be an example of something that humans are better than a computer at? And then let's see if that happens. Well, humans' computer is only one of the clever tools that humans created. And computers are clever, but there will be more tools that human beings will create, much cleverer than computers. That's my view.
[0:35:31] Okay, well let me tell you, my view on AI is essentially you can view the advancement of AI as solving things with increasing degrees of freedom. So the thing with the most degrees of freedom is reality. But AI has steadily advanced solving things that have more and more degrees of freedom. So obviously something like checkers was...
[0:36:00] Very easy to solve. That we could solve with classical software, classical computing, not really all that challenging. And in fact, there is a complete solution for checkers, meaning it is literally impossible. Every version of checkers is known. And then there's chess, which is also...
[0:36:27] It had many, many more degrees of freedom than checkers, many orders of magnitude more than checkers, but still really, I would say, a low degree of freedom game. Then there's Go, which had many orders of magnitude, more degrees of freedom than chess. So it's really just stepping through orders of magnitude of degrees of freedom. This is the way to, I think, view the advancement of intelligence. Yeah.
[0:36:57] And it's really going to get to the point where it just can completely simulate a person in every way possible, like many people simultaneously. In fact, I mean, obviously there's a strong argument we're in a simulation right now. It sort of reminds me of that joke of like, you know, if life was a video game, what would be the review? It's like, well, the graphics are incredible. The plot is confusing.
[0:37:26] The respawn takes a long time. That's a video game. That's life. I'm going to fly for the video game. Respawn takes 20 years to spawn a human being and have them be fully conscious. I'm worried about the birth rate, which you alluded to earlier. Most people think we have too many people on the planet, but actually this is an outdated view. Assuming that AI is fine,
[0:37:58] There's a benevolent future with AI. I think the biggest problem the world will face in 20 years is population collapse. Collapse. I want to emphasize this. The biggest issue in 20 years will be population collapse. Not explosion, collapse. It's very easy to see what the world will look like in 20 years because humans have a 20-year boot sequence. So like you said, okay, well, who was born last year? Okay, now you know what the world will look like in 20 years. It's that easy.
[0:38:29] I absolutely agree with that. The population problem is going to be facing huge challenge. 1.4 billion people in China sounds a lot, but I think next 20 years we'll see this thing will bring big trouble to China and the population decreasing of the whole... The speed of population decreasing is going to speed up. And you call it collapse. Accelerating collapse. Accelerating collapse.
[0:38:57] And then the common rebuttal is like, well, what about immigration? Like, from where? You want to go to space, you know, to Mars, and Mars will immigrate. Yeah, Mars needs people, too. Mars needs people. Mars needs people. There's zero people there right now. So right now it's a machine planet. There's only some robots there.
[0:39:15] This is something that we should pay special attention. That's why the 18 million new babies born in China, which was less than only like 1% or something, we should spend more time to create these people and treat life better. But also, I think about AI, there is another thing which Elon, in my company, in our company, AI, we call it Alibaba Intelligence because we think when things with order,
[0:39:46] With things with logic, machine can always do better. AI can do better. But if things without order, without logic, human being can do better. For example, when you love somebody, there's no reason normally. I just love him or just love her. I have no reason. But when I hate somebody, when I want to do bad things on somebody, there's logic. And when there's logic, AI can do better.
[0:40:13] What we do on our end financing, we teach machine all the bad things that bad guys want to do. Machine can learn quickly and arrest all the bad guys immediately. But when you want to do good things, not necessary. AI means love. That's absolutely right.
[0:40:39] The world, the AI, if the AI can bring love, which I call it, in the past, if you have been a successful person, you have to be L, EQ, and IQ, right? In the future, if you want to survive in this world, you have to be the LQ, the Q of love. That's important, too. Otherwise, you cannot survive in artificial intelligence time. I agree with love as the answer. There's many songs about that. You want to pick up the final one?
[0:41:08] Another topic you want to ask? Excuse me, gentlemen. Due to the time is very limited, so we only have five minutes left. So last question, please. Yeah, you want to pick up the last? Life or human being, machine? So you want to talk about your cars, autonomy. What do you want to talk? This feels like one of those steps in a video game where you've got to pick a path, a choice. I choose life. Okay, life.
[0:41:40] So how much longer do you think people can live with the help of AI? Can AI help with environment sustainability? Can you? Well, first of all, I think humans will solve environmental sustainability. I do not mean to suggest complacency or that we just take it easy. In fact, this is a self-fulfilling or unfulfilling prophecy. We must take immediate and dramatic action and continue the momentum towards
[0:42:15] Environmental sustainability. And China is actually the world leader in this. In fact, I'm not sure how well it is known outside of China, just how much China is a world leader in environmental sustainability. It's extremely impressive. I mean, I think half of all the electric cars in the world were made in China last year, something like that. So I don't mean to suggest complacency, but I do think humans can and will solve sustainability.
[0:42:45] If we can do the neural lace, or the neural link, essentially, the age will not matter that much. You can simply save your state and restore your state, like a saved game, essentially. Something very close to that. I do think we can solve biological aging if we really wanted to.
[0:43:15] You'd have to make DNA changes, but we're obviously just on a clock. All organisms are. I mean, you could take a fruit fly, for example, and you could have it do daily yoga and have a very healthy diet, and it's still going to live for three weeks, maybe four weeks. So environmental factors are relatively minor for extending life. You have to change the DNA.
[0:43:45] Will people be okay with changing the DNA? That's the thing about extending life. And probably people are a little bit reticent about that, but that's essentially the thing that needs to occur to extend life. You've got to stop the DNA clock somehow. I don't know if we should work on this or not. I think, frankly, it's probably a good thing that we do eventually die. There's a saying in physics, even physicists, which are...
[0:44:15] Well, I think AI can definitely help the environment sustainability. And when human beings know themselves better, human beings will be smarter and will be wiser. The difference between clever people
[0:44:45] Smart people and smart people or wise people. Smart people knows what he want and how he can get it. Wise people know what he doesn't want. So when human beings using artificial intelligence, they will understand themselves better. And I think there will be millions of ways people will live in a healthy earth and protect a healthy earth.
[0:45:08] The reason why I want to stay in this earth, I want to work on this earth, I want to do anything I can to help this earth to better. Even go to the space is great, but if we can spend resources just to focus on helping pick up the garbage from the oceans, that thing is more difficult than to go to the Mars. But artificial intelligence can help us achieving that and solve the problems.
[0:45:37] And the second, a human being can live better, can live longer. But what we need is not only live longer, we want to live healthier. How can we live healthier? It's to understand us better. Most of the disease caused by our behavior. So I think I'm 100% sure people will live longer. People will live healthier, but may not necessarily live happier. If you want to be happier, human beings should focus on value,
[0:46:07] The vision and the mission and always have the dreams. And I don't want people love the technology and put them dreams on the technology. I think the technology should be with dreams. It's the not technology change the world. It's the dreams behind the technology that change the world. So my hope is that anything we can do is to improve this world.
[0:46:36] To helping 7.4 billion people live better and live healthier. And this is all about our world. And I think we will be working very happily because I love your product, Tesla. You know, making world cleaner. And you have the factory in China. And I think we need to do more things to improve this world and make sure that people are happier and people care about the family, people care about the health.
[0:47:14] That's all we should do. And trust us. Trust the human beings. And trust young people. Let's take responsibility for today. But let's not take away all the solutions for tomorrow. It's great human beings make mistakes. It's great human beings learn from mistakes. It's great to die. That's probably true. Thank you. Yeah, you cannot live long.
[0:47:45] Thank you. Fight for the light of consciousness.